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Post by UninvitedGuest on Jan 29, 2010 11:31:18 GMT -5
www.theretrospect.com/Audubon Applying for School Choice Program "designed to increase educational opportunities for New Jersey students and their families by providing students with the option of attending a public school outside their district of residence without cost to their parents." sigh. . . . just a couple more years I tell myself. yet another move that changes the flavor of our small town school . . . and just for a few bucks. it'd be heresy to suggest we cut a bloated admin.
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Post by ForeverThere on Jan 29, 2010 13:09:23 GMT -5
Well, since I don't know the rules, regulations, laws, etc. the following concerns could be seen as a "pyramid scheme" from the quote: So? Theoretically, maybe/probably each grade in each school gets 5 students per year??? They all stay year to year, and each subsequent year another 5 students per grade/per year are added..... How long would it take for the High School to be OVER CROWDED? What strict parameters will be in place that once a student transfers in...MAY become a "problem" child......can they be shipped back?
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Post by dfc on Jan 29, 2010 14:35:16 GMT -5
This is because one of our board members is a teacher in Brooklawn who has the program. He states with the program there has not been any tax increases. He is comparing oranges and bananas!!!This is sportabon and taxes are needed for sports!!! Who would want to go to Brooklawn schools? You get one guess!!!
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Post by vincegatto on Jan 29, 2010 14:53:03 GMT -5
www.theretrospect.com/Audubon Applying for School Choice Program "designed to increase educational opportunities for New Jersey students and their families by providing students with the option of attending a public school outside their district of residence without cost to their parents." sigh. . . . just a couple more years I tell myself. yet another move that changes the flavor of our small town school . . . and just for a few bucks. it'd be heresy to suggest we cut a bloated admin. What do you mean "for a buck", the tuition per student is $8,000 and just half a dozen in a class pays the teachers annual salary. We are potentially lucky to have a crappy schools system next door to feed us students. I don't think that you are going to find it is the undesirables and gang members coming over seeking a better education - we will probably get the best and brightest of their crop. I don't know if anyone considered that the tennant's of Victor Lofts might not want their kids in Camden Schools and this is a no cost option to private schools for them. www.thevictorlofts.com/
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Post by vincegatto on Jan 29, 2010 15:28:07 GMT -5
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Post by dragonwind on Jan 29, 2010 16:56:26 GMT -5
If this is a cash cow i hope the board of education don't loose it like the Borough did with the Audubon Park Police contract.
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Post by guest on Jan 29, 2010 19:04:44 GMT -5
www.theretrospect.com/Audubon Applying for School Choice Program "designed to increase educational opportunities for New Jersey students and their families by providing students with the option of attending a public school outside their district of residence without cost to their parents." sigh. . . . just a couple more years I tell myself. yet another move that changes the flavor of our small town school . . . and just for a few bucks. it'd be heresy to suggest we cut a bloated admin. What do you mean "for a buck", the tuition per student is $8,000 and just half a dozen in a class pays the teachers annual salary. We are potentially lucky to have a crappy schools system next door to feed us students. bingo! It's about bucks -- translation; audubon teacher/admin jobs. But what about all the inner city school teachers that will lose their jobs when the kids get bussed in to Aud? Why ru dissing them? What if Haddonfield joins the program and Aud students go there? It's a stupid idea both for the state to let it happen and pay additional transportation costs and at the local level. But yes, it may save an Aud job at the expense of a Camden one. hurray!
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Post by vincegatto on Jan 29, 2010 19:25:36 GMT -5
What do you mean "for a buck", the tuition per student is $8,000 and just half a dozen in a class pays the teachers annual salary. We are potentially lucky to have a crappy schools system next door to feed us students. bingo! It's about bucks -- translation; audubon teacher/admin jobs. But what about all the inner city school teachers that will lose their jobs when the kids get bussed in to Aud? Why ru dissing them? What if Haddonfield joins the program and Aud students go there? It's a stupid idea both for the state to let it happen and pay additional transportation costs and at the local level. But yes, it may save an Aud job at the expense of a Camden one. hurray! OK, let's run crappy school systems and force the kids to stay there, doesn't matter whether they get a decent education or have a safe environment, as long as Camden teachers keep their jobs. If Camden ran a good school system, then the kids would stay there and this would not be an issue. The purpose of schools is to teach kids, not be an employment base for teachers. If Haddonfield and other schools joined the system, then the best schools would attract the students and the best teachers. I'm not dissing teachers, -- it's like a government version of "free enterprise". And, it could force the entire educational system upward by forcing communities to provide the best schools available to compete for students.
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Post by daddydog on Jan 30, 2010 7:15:45 GMT -5
I can see it now, the parent (it won't be plural) after scraping together the 8 grand, will realize that it will be cheaper to move into good 'ol Audubon and before you know it, ESL and African cultural studies will be in the curriculum. This is just a way to add more money to the coffers instead of making hard decisions on cutting the budget. God forbid the teachers see a wage freeze or pay into their health benefits. Bad move altogether.
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Post by daddydog on Jan 30, 2010 7:22:39 GMT -5
bingo! It's about bucks -- translation; audubon teacher/admin jobs. But what about all the inner city school teachers that will lose their jobs when the kids get bussed in to Aud? Why ru dissing them? What if Haddonfield joins the program and Aud students go there? It's a stupid idea both for the state to let it happen and pay additional transportation costs and at the local level. But yes, it may save an Aud job at the expense of a Camden one. hurray! If Haddonfield and other schools joined the system, then the best schools would attract the students and the best teachers. And do you really think they will? If the state thought this was such a great idea, they would have mandated that every district join in. The districts that enjoy a sound fiscal cash flow and/or have made the tough choice of standing against their respective teachers unions won't go anywhere near this program. Why would they?
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Post by vincegatto on Jan 30, 2010 7:51:54 GMT -5
I can see it now, the parent (it won't be plural) after scraping together the 8 grand, will realize that it will be cheaper to move into good 'ol Audubon and before you know it, ESL and African cultural studies will be in the curriculum. This is just a way to add more money to the coffers instead of making hard decisions on cutting the budget. God forbid the teachers see a wage freeze or pay into their health benefits. Bad move altogether. I believe that the sending school district, not the parent pays the tuition. This means that there will be no family money issues, all the kids in Camden can afford to come to school here.
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Post by Bird on a wire on Jan 30, 2010 10:04:56 GMT -5
www.theretrospect.com/Audubon Applying for School Choice Program "designed to increase educational opportunities for New Jersey students and their families by providing students with the option of attending a public school outside their district of residence without cost to their parents." sigh. . . . just a couple more years I tell myself. yet another move that changes the flavor of our small town school . . . and just for a few bucks. it'd be heresy to suggest we cut a bloated admin. What do you mean "for a buck", the tuition per student is $8,000 and just half a dozen in a class pays the teachers annual salary. We are potentially lucky to have a crappy schools system next door to feed us students. I don't think that you are going to find it is the undesirables and gang members coming over seeking a better education - we will probably get the best and brightest of their crop. I don't know if anyone considered that the tennant's of Victor Lofts might not want their kids in Camden Schools and this is a no cost option to private schools for them. www.thevictorlofts.com/I agree that only the cream of the crop will pursue this option. The lousy parents will be too unconcerned about the hassle of sending their children to outside schools. This is a win-win! The only shame is a low tuition $8k. I've seen some local school districts paying big tuitions ($20 to $40k) per student to send them to the likes of Brookfield Academy, Yale, and others. Not sure if I'm comparing apples to apples here.
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Post by vincegatto on Jan 30, 2010 10:30:24 GMT -5
What do you mean "for a buck", the tuition per student is $8,000 and just half a dozen in a class pays the teachers annual salary. We are potentially lucky to have a crappy schools system next door to feed us students. I don't think that you are going to find it is the undesirables and gang members coming over seeking a better education - we will probably get the best and brightest of their crop. I don't know if anyone considered that the tennant's of Victor Lofts might not want their kids in Camden Schools and this is a no cost option to private schools for them. www.thevictorlofts.com/I agree that only the cream of the crop will pursue this option. The lousy parents will be too unconcerned about the hassle of sending their children to outside schools. This is a win-win! The only shame is a low tuition $8k. I've seen some local school districts paying big tuitions ($20 to $40k) per student to send them to the likes of Brookfield Academy, Yale, and others. Not sure if I'm comparing apples to apples here. There is a range of "cost per student" to education the kids and it varies depending on the town. It is a function of dividing the school budget by the number of students and adding in the state aid. I believe the average is over $9,000 and think we are in that range with Haddonfield being close to $12,000. If you follow the news, Woodlynne owes Collingswood quite a bit of money (over $600,000) because the "cost per student" for tuition was figured too low and the State stepped in and wanted a correction made. Having Audubon educate out of town students for an $8,000 tuition benefits the sending town, however, it still benefits Audubon because it is additional money coming in against less actual expenditure. (there are fixed costs that have to be amortized in determining a base cost). It is just the way you do the math.
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Post by uninvited guest on Jan 30, 2010 11:22:42 GMT -5
I agree that only the cream of the crop will pursue this option. The lousy parents will be too unconcerned about the hassle of sending their children to outside schools. This is a win-win! I'm sure it's a win for the inner city schools that lose their best and brightest. . . . somewhat appalling to see them thrown under the bus. Big picture - this is lousy state policy (unless opening up real school choice to anyone and everyone - real competition among schools.) Small picture - still bad policy; school districts that take pride in their schools would never voluntarily sign up for such a program. Can it save a local admin job or sports program at the expense of losing a small town neighborhood school flavor? Bingo!
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Post by uninvited guest on Jan 30, 2010 11:27:51 GMT -5
Having Audubon educate out of town students for an $8,000 tuition benefits the sending town, however, it still benefits Audubon because it is additional money coming in against less actual expenditure. (there are fixed costs that have to be amortized in determining a base cost). It is just the way you do the math. So a sending town's school benefits from losing its best students?! (And I'm assuming the state aid that goes with each lost student.) Perhaps all camden kids can transfer to audubon and the local school district can really make some money. Fact is, it won't cost a fairview family a dime to send their kid to Aud in lieu of another school. Our schools can look like the shopping center.
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