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Mar 4, 2010 20:19:48 GMT -5
Post by johnnypeppers on Mar 4, 2010 20:19:48 GMT -5
President Obama has proposed a 1.4% pay increase for active duty military in 2011. This is THE LOWEST SINCE 1973! Nice to know that during a time of rampant inflation, while war is fought in 2 theaters, our men and women in uniform get A LOWER PAY INCREASE THAN WELFARE RECIPIENTS!!! AND...a lower increase than elected Officials, most of whom, in my opinion, are not worth jackschmidt
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Mar 4, 2010 20:49:32 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Mar 4, 2010 20:49:32 GMT -5
President Obama has proposed a 1.4% pay increase for active duty military in 2011. This is THE LOWEST SINCE 1973! Nice to know that during a time of rampant inflation, while war is fought in 2 theaters, our men and women in uniform get A LOWER PAY INCREASE THAN WELFARE RECIPIENTS!!! Maybe the Marines got screwed, every other branch of the service got a 3.4% raise. www.military.com/benefits/military-pay/2010-military-pay-chartsAnd, consider yourself lucky. Those on Social Security got no increase at all. The first time in over 30 years. www.dailyfinance.com/story/no-social-security-cola-in-2010/1540465/I don't believe that the Federal government (Obama) runs welfare. That's an issue you would have to take up on a State by State basis.
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Mar 4, 2010 20:59:41 GMT -5
Post by johnnypeppers on Mar 4, 2010 20:59:41 GMT -5
Remember, Friday is wear red day in support of our Troops....underware doesn't count
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Mar 4, 2010 21:46:43 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Mar 4, 2010 21:46:43 GMT -5
3.4 was this year, I'm talking next years, It's the same as the Civilian government workers pay raise. voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/02/budget_15_pay_raise_for_civili.htmlWith all due respect to the nobility and incumbent risk that goes along with your profession, you do work for the government. Just in the last few days, people have posted on this board that they think teachers and school administrators are over paid. People here are always screaming about cutting taxes and complaining about "cushy" Government jobs along with the generous pensions they, the taxpayers pay for. I guess with regard to a lower pay raise, you are just going to have to "bite the bullet" along with the rest of the Government workers. However, in your case you you may be asked by the citizens of this great country to "bite the bullet" literally. Well, by getting half the pay raise you got this year, I guess some happy taxpayer will be paying less than he would if you got another 2 % more.
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Mar 5, 2010 9:45:01 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Mar 5, 2010 9:45:01 GMT -5
During the Bush administration we finally had a plan to get control of the estimated gap between military pay and salaries in the private sector at 12.9 percent and growing. By 2011 we are supposed to have no gap. When the Obama administration took control one of there first acts of business was to Cap our pay increases and stop them this year with our 3.4 Raise. We are still under paid compared to the civilian sector. I'm not complaining that the raise is not enough. I'm complaining that the Democrats stopped our annual increases to close the Gap. www.moaa.org/controller.asp?pagename=lac_paygapwe should get a 2.4% raise and close the gap then annual raises equal to the civilian sector. According to the information you provided, Congress was trying to close a "gap" in pay between military and civilian government workers, by giving the military an annual 1/2 percent higher pay raise than civilians. "...In 2007 through 2010, Congress continued to provide raises in excess of the ECI in the interest of continuing to close the gap. For 2010, Congress called for a 3.4% raise -- .5% higher than the Administration's ECI-based budget request.
MOAA and The Military Coalition are urging Congress to provide the further increases necessary to fully eliminate the remaining comparability gap as soon as possible..." The Democratic congress has continued this policy since 2006 when they gained control of House and Senate. If the policy continued into 2011 your pay raise (compared to civilian) should have been 1.9% (.5% higher than civilian) - the gap at the end of 2010 is 2.4%, but they are not required to close the entire gap in one year. Based on the 1/2 percent policy, the gap would not be closed until 2015 or 2016. The issue is a "gap" here between civilian and military government workers. Social Security recipients did not receive a COLA increase because the Congressional Office of Budget and Management forecasts "deflation" (reduction in cost of living as a result of the economic recession) By getting no raise at all, your buying power would have increased anyway. Your biggest argument here is the "gap". In theory, if the military got a 1.4% increase, civilian workers should have only gotten a .9% increase to maintain the 1/2 percent "gap" closure policy set back in 1999. The bottom line is that Government Civilian workers got a better raise than the Military, at a time when no pay increases at all for either would have been justified.
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Mar 5, 2010 18:17:22 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Mar 5, 2010 18:17:22 GMT -5
in 2001 which would of gave them 10 years to close the Gap. Yes, wow we got an extra .5 % this year, but if you do the math we should have gotten 2.9% this year and 2.9% next year which would have closed the Gap. Instead of the proposed 10 years to close the Gap which we was approved, they made it look like such a big deal that we got the extra .5% this year to blind the eyes of screwing us out of the original proposed 2.9% for next year. Now like before, instead of closing the Gap, we will start to make the Gap bigger. You say they are not required to close the Gap in 1 year, you are correct, they were required to close the Gap in 10 years. Once again, we have been lied too, to make matters worse, Somebody came to Camp Lejeune just a few months ago, and told us that the gap would be closed by 2011 as planned just to get at least one cheer from a Marine. Unfortunately, unlike the embarrassment the Army and Naval Cadets showed, we can smell BullSh!t a mile away, and the only cheers that were from the crowd was at the left where they brought in there own cheer leading squad and a bunch of Coast Guardsmen. You should be more concerned about what you are getting in terms of raises. One way to close the gap is to give the military no raise and cut government civilian salaries by 2.4% - That closes the gap and you get nothing out of it. It does not matter what people say, who cheers or what Congress wants to do. Count the money in your pocket and don't worry what the other guy got or didn't get. You got a pay raise at a time when workers in the private sector are getting pay cuts and losing their jobs at record rates.
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Mar 5, 2010 20:12:37 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Mar 5, 2010 20:12:37 GMT -5
You should be more concerned about what you are getting in terms of raises. One way to close the gap is to give the military no raise and cut government civilian salaries by 2.4% - That closes the gap and you get nothing out of it. It does not matter what people say, who cheers or what Congress wants to do. Count the money in your pocket and don't worry what the other guy got or didn't get. You got a pay raise at a time when workers in the private sector are getting pay cuts and losing their jobs at record rates. This has nothing to do with Government Civilian salaries. The Gap is what normal people are paid in comparison to Military Rank. Here is a comparison, An E-1 (Pvt) is paid right now 2.4% under minimum wage. Workers at Burger King are paid more then he is. The worst part is he puts in, at a bare minimum, 65 hrs per week. Doesn't even get overtime. The pay raises effect him the most. They're is no comparison for my Job, They can't afford to fill that gap. Vince, I think you are confused about what the Gap is. The Gap has nothing to do with DOD, Government Workers. It's Military Pay Vs The Common Mans pay. You think Sea Bees are getting anything close to what Union Construction Workers are paid. You are correct, I mixed apple and oranges - I started pointing out Civil Service versus military pay raises and then slipped into private sector without realizing it with regard to the gap (Even Vince misreads stuff on occasion)"...Civilian federal employees and the military would get a 1.4 percent pay increase next year, according to President Obama's fiscal 2011 budget proposal. That's much lower than the 2 percent civilian pay jump this year and the military's 3.4 percent increase. The proposed military pay bump is the smallest bump since 1973..."voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/02/budget_15_pay_raise_for_civili.htmlHowever, my last premise is correct, you could get no pay raise and the gap would close, if civilian private sector pay went down due to the recession.
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