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Post by vincegatto on Mar 30, 2010 11:34:16 GMT -5
I think that everyone here will like this: (summary of article)During the snowstorm of Feb 10th and 11th, The County did not require non-essential employees to come to work (snow day). Some employees were not scheduled to work those days and were therefore off anyway. Because the other employees scheduled to work were given time off with pay on the snow days, those scheduled off now want extra pay because they missed out on "paid time off for the snow day".www.courierpostonline.com/article/20100330/NEWS01/3300326There is a poll attached, what's your opinion. |
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Post by ForeverThere on Mar 30, 2010 17:03:39 GMT -5
So does that mean, when I paid premium bucks and lived around the corner from my Office and still had to go "in", when the building was CLOSED, I should get double pay?
I was penalized, 'cause I didn't commute!
Emergency "off" days can't be planned ahead...we deal with how the cards are dealt!
Yet, each individual does have the "right" to approach their superior and use their negotiating skills (if they have any!).
It's up to the individual to figure out what they want to NEGOTIATE!
Nope! Won't vote on this one ~ every business, place, person are different ~ the variables are mind-boggling!
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Post by vincegatto on Mar 30, 2010 17:27:22 GMT -5
So does that mean, when I paid premium bucks and lived around the corner from my Office and still had to go "in", when the building was CLOSED, I should get double pay? I was penalized, 'cause I didn't commute! Emergency "off" days can't be planned ahead...we deal with how the cards are dealt! Yet, each individual does have the "right" to approach their superior and use their negotiating skills (if they have any!). It's up to the individual to figure out what they want to NEGOTIATE! Nope! Won't vote on this one ~ every business, place, person are different ~ the variables are mind-boggling! This was not an "individual" negotiation. It is a Union issue. They (the Union) are filing a grievance against the County. This also had nothing to do with commuting. Essential (usually emergency) workers had to come to work, non-essential (administrative) workers were told not to. |
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Post by ForeverThere on Mar 30, 2010 17:59:27 GMT -5
Guess what! We're not talking/writing "apples and oranges" ~ it's all bananas and who's the Top Banana!
I've worked Union Shops ~ rules are made to be broken, if folks look the other way! And I mean that literally! And, No! I won't explain ~ that's part of all negotiations! Where have you been?
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Post by vincegatto on Mar 30, 2010 18:54:52 GMT -5
Guess what! We're not talking/writing "apples and oranges" ~ it's all bananas and who's the Top Banana! I've worked Union Shops ~ rules are made to be broken, if folks look the other way! And I mean that literally! And, No! I won't explain ~ that's part of all negotiations! Where have you been? Unions are a "Brotherhood" (or "sisterhood too, to be politically correct). They exist for the well being of the group (members) as a whole, -- no individual can get more or less than the group, as a whole. They form a united front to negotiate with management for a single contract that treats all of their members equally. If you read the article I linked to, you can understand the issue. The County Administrator and Freeholders made a mistake, They rewarded some members (the essential employees who worked) with an "extra day off" outside of what the Union has negotiated in their contract. Worse, they did not give everyone an extra day off. Now it is the philosophical obligation of the Union to demand that everyone be treated equally and if some got a day off, then everyone should. What the County should learn from this is not to reward employees individually, if they are in a Union, unless the Union has negotiated work rules spelling out exactly how that is done. There are a number of ways that this could turn - there is one that has not occurred to most people here. If the Union cannot get a day off for everyone, those that got the extra day off can and probably will refuse to accept it. Where have I been? When I was much younger, I was a CWA Union Shop Steward. I have also been a member of IBEW, in the past. |
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Post by stevemcgarrett on Mar 31, 2010 6:44:30 GMT -5
Damn, even when these fools get hit with a backlash the size of a Mack truck they still have their frickin' hand out.
In the real world, if you aren't scheduled, you don't get paid. Period, end of sentence. Time for government workers to join the real world. Lucky for us Christie is taking them there, kicking and screaming.
I'm going to be grinning with glee when the new governor breaks the back of these gov't employee unions that have had their hand deep in my back pocket for to long.
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Post by eaglesfan10 on Apr 1, 2010 4:50:17 GMT -5
I can definitely see where the union is coming from. As stated before by Vince, with a union what you do for one, you have to do for all.
However, as was stated by stevemcgarrett, if this was any other business, you'd only be paid if you were scheduled to work. That's the way it's been in the non-union jobs that i have worked. Also, there wasn't any "extra" pay or compensation for those employees who came on days that where we had to close the business due to a snow emergency. Even with the union job I had, it was the same set of rules.
If the county wants to start rewarding "personal days" to individuals who come in during snow emergencies, then they should put that into the next union contract and with specifics and how it works and who can receive it.
While in a non union job you can sometimes try to negotiate for an "individual", in a union job there isn't any individual negotiation. What is good for one is good for all.
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