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Post by vincegatto on Jan 30, 2010 11:41:22 GMT -5
I agree that only the cream of the crop will pursue this option. The lousy parents will be too unconcerned about the hassle of sending their children to outside schools. This is a win-win! I'm sure it's a win for the inner city schools that lose their best and brightest. . . . somewhat appalling to see them thrown under the bus. Big picture - this is lousy state policy (unless opening up real school choice to anyone and everyone - real competition among schools.) Small picture - still bad policy; school districts that take pride in their schools would never voluntarily sign up for such a program. Can it save a local admin job or sports program at the expense of losing a small town neighborhood school flavor? Bingo! The "uninvited guest" is doing what you call "spin and attack". His bottom line is that this is going to save an administrator's job and benefits sports, as well as warning us that Negroes from the big city will start coming to Audubon. The change in flavor that he refers to is from vanilla to chocolate. The real bottom line is that there is no indication that any admin's job or sports program is in jeopardy or that any tuition funds are earmarked for sports. No evidence, whatsoever that any of that is an issue or true. What it is, is a recurring attack on the administration and the promotion of negativity toward sports - also ongoing and regularly peddled by some who post here. As far as a small town neighborhood flavor. This is the 21st Century and by 2050 whites of European ancestry will be in the minority so you better get used to hearing a lot of different dialects from a lot of different flavors of people, they are going to be your neighbors.
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Post by uninvited guest on Jan 30, 2010 12:13:05 GMT -5
I'm sure it's a win for the inner city schools that lose their best and brightest. . . . somewhat appalling to see them thrown under the bus. Big picture - this is lousy state policy (unless opening up real school choice to anyone and everyone - real competition among schools.) Small picture - still bad policy; school districts that take pride in their schools would never voluntarily sign up for such a program. Can it save a local admin job or sports program at the expense of losing a small town neighborhood school flavor? Bingo! The "uninvited guest" is doing what you call "spin and attack". His bottom line is that this is going to save an administrator's job and benefits sports, as well as warning us that Negroes from the big city will start coming to Audubon. The change in flavor that he refers to is from vanilla to chocolate. The real bottom line is that there is no indication that any admin's job or sports program is in jeopardy or that any tuition funds are earmarked for sports. No evidence, whatsoever that any of that is an issue or true. What it is, is a recurring attack on the administration and the promotion of negativity toward sports - also ongoing and regularly peddled by some who post here. As far as a small town neighborhood flavor. This is the 21st Century and by 2050 whites of European ancestry will be in the minority so you better get used to hearing a lot of different dialects from a lot of different flavors of people, they are going to be your neighbors. ur the spin master. I have no issue with any of my neighbors going to our schools; issue is with outsiders. Anyone is welcome to move next door and join a neighborhood school. Only reason to go out for additional students is to cover expenses. FACT. And the real shame it that once again people are dumping on the intercity schools by taking their most motivated and money and leaving them with the rest. The next thing they'll be telling us is how we're helping them. Pathetic. They're being used for money and that only translates to jobs, programs and taxes. FACT.
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Post by dfc on Jan 30, 2010 13:05:31 GMT -5
I can see it now, the parent (it won't be plural) after scraping together the 8 grand, will realize that it will be cheaper to move into good 'ol Audubon and before you know it, ESL and African cultural studies will be in the curriculum. This is just a way to add more money to the coffers instead of making hard decisions on cutting the budget. God forbid the teachers see a wage freeze or pay into their health benefits. Bad move altogether. You go daddy!! And the way this school board would work is if they had a tuition student they would kiss his a$$. If the parents didn't like something and threatened to pull out they will bendover. Our kids will lose out and there is no doubt if they can grab a sports star to fill one of their teams it will come with a discount to his parents. There is NO transparency with the school board.
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Post by vincegatto on Jan 30, 2010 14:45:29 GMT -5
I can see it now, the parent (it won't be plural) after scraping together the 8 grand, will realize that it will be cheaper to move into good 'ol Audubon and before you know it, ESL and African cultural studies will be in the curriculum. This is just a way to add more money to the coffers instead of making hard decisions on cutting the budget. God forbid the teachers see a wage freeze or pay into their health benefits. Bad move altogether. You go daddy!! And the way this school board would work is if they had a tuition student they would kiss his a$$. If the parents didn't like something and threatened to pull out they will bendover. Our kids will lose out and there is no doubt if they can grab a sports star to fill one of their teams it will come with a discount to his parents. There is NO transparency with the school board. First you complain about the President, because he's black. Then you bitch about the Commissioners and all of a sudden they are my "buddies". Now it's the school board. You know, you can vote for all these people. Either you are out of step with the majority who elects them or you don't vote. Or, you can't vote in Audubon elections because you live in Cherry Hill or at least maintain an address there to keep your job.
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Post by vincegatto on Jan 30, 2010 15:20:14 GMT -5
The "uninvited guest" is doing what you call "spin and attack". His bottom line is that this is going to save an administrator's job and benefits sports, as well as warning us that Negroes from the big city will start coming to Audubon. The change in flavor that he refers to is from vanilla to chocolate. The real bottom line is that there is no indication that any admin's job or sports program is in jeopardy or that any tuition funds are earmarked for sports. No evidence, whatsoever that any of that is an issue or true. What it is, is a recurring attack on the administration and the promotion of negativity toward sports - also ongoing and regularly peddled by some who post here. As far as a small town neighborhood flavor. This is the 21st Century and by 2050 whites of European ancestry will be in the minority so you better get used to hearing a lot of different dialects from a lot of different flavors of people, they are going to be your neighbors. ur the spin master. I have no issue with any of my neighbors going to our schools; issue is with outsiders. Anyone is welcome to move next door and join a neighborhood school. Only reason to go out for additional students is to cover expenses. FACT. And the real shame it that once again people are dumping on the intercity schools by taking their most motivated and money and leaving them with the rest. The next thing they'll be telling us is how we're helping them. Pathetic. They're being used for money and that only translates to jobs, programs and taxes. FACT.You are losing me here. How can more revenue coming in from tuition be used for taxes. Did you mean REDUCE taxes for Audubon residents. Are you trying to sell some BS line that brining in students who pay tuition will some how negatively affect our taxes? Are taxes part of your buzz word spin package (neighborhoods, flavor, outsiders, inner city)If the inner city schools are crowded, (and, they usually are, Camden for example is building more classrooms) we are helping them reduce class size and therefore helping to avoid additional taxes there for capital expansion and the hiring of more teachers. The remaining students will benefit by smaller classes and more personal attention from teachers. If I am not mistaken we either have or had surplus classroom space that we were renting out, so we probably have the room. I see it as a win win for all school districts involved as well as student who come or stay where they are.
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Post by dfc on Jan 30, 2010 15:53:43 GMT -5
You go daddy!! And the way this school board would work is if they had a tuition student they would kiss his a$$. If the parents didn't like something and threatened to pull out they will bendover. Our kids will lose out and there is no doubt if they can grab a sports star to fill one of their teams it will come with a discount to his parents. There is NO transparency with the school board. First you complain about the President, because he's black. Then you bitch about the Commissioners and all of a sudden they are my "buddies". Now it's the school board. You know, you can vote for all these people. Either you are out of step with the majority who elects them or you don't vote. Or, you can't vote in Audubon elections because you live in Cherry Hill or et least maintaib an address the~e to keep your job. Like a majority of this town elects the school board members? Bad information frkm the man in the know!! When was the last time you were at a school board meeting? And by all means if you are happy with this President go support him. However he is NOT my President, but then again like we use to discuss on the other message board, you are his target group. You are looking for that free health care that me and my wife will pay for you. But don't hold your breath pinhead, it aint going to happen. And on top of it he wants to tax my plan that is a union plan. Aint going to happen. He is dead in the water and come November he will be a lame duck. Or the BLACK sheep of the Democrat party. And get it right I maintain an address in Audubon not Cherry Hill. Probably will be moving from Cherry Hill to Linwood or Northfield as the wife now teaches at Mainland Regional High. I don't want her putting all those mile on HER silver Lexus. Life is good Donny for some of us ;D ;D ;D
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Post by vincegatto on Jan 30, 2010 16:27:00 GMT -5
First you complain about the President, because he's black. Then you bitch about the Commissioners and all of a sudden they are my "buddies". Now it's the school board. You know, you can vote for all these people. Either you are out of step with the majority who elects them or you don't vote. Or, you can't vote in Audubon elections because you live in Cherry Hill or at least maintaiN an address there to keep your job. I maintain an address in Audubon not Cherry Hill. Probably will be moving from Cherry Hill to Linwood or Northfield as the wife now teaches at Mainland Regional High. I don't want her putting all those mile on HER silver Lexus. Life is good Donny for some of us ;D ;D ;D Isn't Delilah’s Den located in Northfield? I guess a school teacher who drives a luxury car needs to earn a little side income. www.delilahsdennj.com/default.aspIf your wife is the wage earner and you sit on your lazy @ss- all day posting on a message board, life is good in your mind. Maybe you could get a job driving a school bus a couple of hours a day. Would give you a chance to flirt with the little school girls, Mr. Pissant.
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Post by dfc on Jan 30, 2010 16:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by Tatertot on Jan 30, 2010 17:10:56 GMT -5
The "uninvited guest" is doing what you call "spin and attack". His bottom line is that this is going to save an administrator's job and benefits sports, as well as warning us that Negroes from the big city will start coming to Audubon. The change in flavor that he refers to is from vanilla to chocolate. The real bottom line is that there is no indication that any admin's job or sports program is in jeopardy or that any tuition funds are earmarked for sports. No evidence, whatsoever that any of that is an issue or true. What it is, is a recurring attack on the administration and the promotion of negativity toward sports - also ongoing and regularly peddled by some who post here. As far as a small town neighborhood flavor. This is the 21st Century and by 2050 whites of European ancestry will be in the minority so you better get used to hearing a lot of different dialects from a lot of different flavors of people, they are going to be your neighbors. ur the spin master. I have no issue with any of my neighbors going to our schools; issue is with outsiders. Anyone is welcome to move next door and join a neighborhood school. Only reason to go out for additional students is to cover expenses. FACT. And the real shame it that once again people are dumping on the intercity schools by taking their most motivated and money and leaving them with the rest. The next thing they'll be telling us is how we're helping them. Pathetic. They're being used for money and that only translates to jobs, programs and taxes. FACT. Way too many of the "promising" students who enter high school in Camden become overwhelmed by the environment and end up falling short of their potential. Allowing a way out of Camden for the best and most promising students is a GOOD, even merciful, idea as it gives them a much better chance of living up to their potential.
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Post by uninvited on Feb 1, 2010 21:40:53 GMT -5
ur the spin master. I have no issue with any of my neighbors going to our schools; issue is with outsiders. Anyone is welcome to move next door and join a neighborhood school. Only reason to go out for additional students is to cover expenses. FACT. And the real shame it that once again people are dumping on the intercity schools by taking their most motivated and money and leaving them with the rest. The next thing they'll be telling us is how we're helping them. Pathetic. They're being used for money and that only translates to jobs, programs and taxes. FACT.You are losing me here. How can more revenue coming in from tuition be used for taxes. Did you mean REDUCE taxes for Audubon residents. Are you trying to sell some BS line that brining in students who pay tuition will some how negatively affect our taxes? Are taxes part of your buzz word spin package (neighborhoods, flavor, outsiders, inner city)If the inner city schools are crowded, (and, they usually are, Camden for example is building more classrooms) we are helping them reduce class size and therefore helping to avoid additional taxes there for capital expansion and the hiring of more teachers. The remaining students will benefit by smaller classes and more personal attention from teachers. If I am not mistaken we either have or had surplus classroom space that we were renting out, so we probably have the room. I see it as a win win for all school districts involved as well as student who come or stay where they are. More BS from this board's BS master. Camden student enrollment is down and they have good teacher to student ratios -- significantly above state averages (more teachers to students than AHS.) Even a moron can see that Camden's problem isn't student overcrowding but keeping students in school. And your approach is to steal their most motivated and further dump on the intercity school system so you can perhaps save a buck locally. Disgusting. Seems to me this forum isn't as much a place for the disgruntled to vent as to the suck-ups to kiss @ss.
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Post by vincegatto on Feb 1, 2010 22:41:02 GMT -5
You are losing me here. How can more revenue coming in from tuition be used for taxes. Did you mean REDUCE taxes for Audubon residents. Are you trying to sell some BS line that brining in students who pay tuition will some how negatively affect our taxes? Are taxes part of your buzz word spin package (neighborhoods, flavor, outsiders, inner city)If the inner city schools are crowded, (and, they usually are, Camden for example is building more classrooms) we are helping them reduce class size and therefore helping to avoid additional taxes there for capital expansion and the hiring of more teachers. The remaining students will benefit by smaller classes and more personal attention from teachers. If I am not mistaken we either have or had surplus classroom space that we were renting out, so we probably have the room. I see it as a win win for all school districts involved as well as student who come or stay where they are. More BS from this board's BS master. Camden student enrollment is down and they have good teacher to student ratios -- significantly above state averages (more teachers to students than AHS.) Even a moron can see that Camden's problem isn't student overcrowding but keeping students in school. And your approach is to steal their most motivated and further dump on the intercity school system so you can perhaps save a buck locally. Disgusting. Seems to me this forum isn't as much a place for the disgruntled to vent as to the suck-ups to kiss @ss. Well, while I am apologizing, let me make another correction. I said that Camden schools were overcrowded. I was wrong. The student teacher ratio in Audubon is 16:1 - the student ratio in Camden is 13:1. Assuming that 1 teacher = 1 classroom in Audubon there are 16 students in a classroom, in Camden only 13. Remarkably the student teacher ratio is Haddonfield is 17:1 in other words the classrooms in Haddonfield are more crowded than Audubon or Camden. I stand corrected. Uninvited Guest, you have it right, I am wrong and I look like the Village Idiot, shame on me for not doing my homework in advance of shooting off my mouth.
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Post by stevemcgarrett on Feb 2, 2010 7:51:04 GMT -5
I'm sure it's a win for the inner city schools that lose their best and brightest. . . . somewhat appalling to see them thrown under the bus. Big picture - this is lousy state policy (unless opening up real school choice to anyone and everyone - real competition among schools.) Small picture - still bad policy; school districts that take pride in their schools would never voluntarily sign up for such a program. Can it save a local admin job or sports program at the expense of losing a small town neighborhood school flavor? Bingo! The "uninvited guest" is doing what you call "spin and attack". His bottom line is that this is going to save an administrator's job and benefits sports, as well as warning us that Negroes from the big city will start coming to Audubon. The change in flavor that he refers to is from vanilla to chocolate. The real bottom line is that there is no indication that any admin's job or sports program is in jeopardy or that any tuition funds are earmarked for sports. No evidence, whatsoever that any of that is an issue or true. What it is, is a recurring attack on the administration and the promotion of negativity toward sports - also ongoing and regularly peddled by some who post here. As far as a small town neighborhood flavor. This is the 21st Century and by 2050 whites of European ancestry will be in the minority so you better get used to hearing a lot of different dialects from a lot of different flavors of people, they are going to be your neighbors. You read 'War or the World' didn't you? Or do you have another source. I just read that book and that statistic was right in there, front and center. I wonder if anyone who is against this will go to a school board meeting and voice their opinion? Hmmm... Personally I'm still on the fence. Oh, and the article did make it clear that we signed up to keep our options open, no decisions yet. Just remember, if you want your opinion heard arguing with a made up person (Vince Gatto) isn't going to cut it.
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Post by alwayssomething on Feb 25, 2010 18:06:58 GMT -5
Bottom line is most people in town do think that we don't require so administrative people in our schools. What ever happened to some of the students working in the office to help out instead of going to study hall? Our town people (tax payers) are double tasking at their jobs why can't our school employees? Our town people have gone years without raises to keep their Jobs, why can't our schools employees? - Sad, our school employees have turned into 'what is in it for me' instead of 'how can I help this child.
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Post by alwayssomething on Feb 25, 2010 18:14:17 GMT -5
In a perfect world our tax dollars would pay for ONE student at your town school. After your first child you could send your children to ANY school as long as you paid the cost to that school based on that towns tax rate. Think our children will see something like this in their life time?
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Post by scholar on Feb 25, 2010 18:20:34 GMT -5
In a perfect world our tax dollars would pay for ONE student at your town school. After your first child you could send your children to ANY school as long as you paid the cost to that school based on that towns tax rate. Think our children will see something like this in their life time? So are you saying that if you had three school age kids, one goes free and you pay for the other two. If the average cost to educate a student in South Jersey is $9,000 per year, you would have to pay $18,000 per year to send the other two to school. We better repeal any mandatory education laws for those under 16 years old. Few kids will be getting an education under that scenario
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