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Post by vincegatto on Mar 6, 2010 18:32:18 GMT -5
I don't see any State average (or Audubon for that matter) on the page you have directed us to. How about going into the website and directing us to the page with the State average.
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Post by vincegatto on Mar 8, 2010 15:31:49 GMT -5
Forget the administrators. Now, It's all the teachers' and their union's fault: Why We Must Fire Bad Teachers In no other profession are workers so insulated from accountability"...The relative decline of American education at the elementary- and high-school levels has long been a national embarrassment as well as a threat to the nation's future. Once upon a time, American students tested better than any other students in the world. Now, ranked against European schoolchildren, America does about as well as Lithuania, behind at least 10 other nations...""...What really makes a difference, what matters more than the class size or the textbook, the teaching method or the technology, or even the curriculum, is the quality of the teacher...""...Nothing, then, is more important than hiring good teachers and firing bad ones. But here is the rub. Although many teachers are caring and selfless, teaching in public schools has not always attracted the best and the brightest....""...At the same time, the teachers' unions have become more and more powerful. In most states, after two or three years, teachers are given lifetime tenure. It is almost impossible to fire them..."www.newsweek.com/id/234590And, if you like biased reporting - read the following quote as a source for their research. "Teaching Inequality: How Poor and Minority Students Are Shortchanged on Teacher Quality."Blame the poor quality white teachers, not the Black kids
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Post by vincegatto on Mar 12, 2010 10:20:17 GMT -5
Haddon Township is cutting back their administrative staff: "...The next largest cut of $767,000 would come from central office functions, including the equivalent of five full-time positions. Those positions include the school resource officer, a secretary, a child study team member and two technology staffers..."www.theretrospect.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=1&twindow=&mad=&sdetail=2311&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1155&hn=theretrospect&he=.comWhen 5 people are divided into $767,000 it works out to about $153, 400 per job. The jobs appear to be "non-management". Either they must pay the secretaries pretty well over there or there must be more savings somewhere in the admin cutback package. Audubon is not alone in dealing with State aid reductions and I think that just looking at some basic "school report card" statistics does not tell the entire story. According to their Superintendent, "..., Raivetz said, adding that compared to New Jersey as a whole Haddon Township has lower than average administrative cost. “We need administrators to manage things,” he also said. A number of certifications that administrators have are also legally required..."
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Post by theincrowd on Mar 12, 2010 21:30:57 GMT -5
The next few years are going to be very interesting as union contracts expire and the States realize they can no long fund entitlments to the extent of the past. Just today several states have announced their plans to hold back tax refunds for up to 5-6 months.
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Post by vincegatto on Mar 12, 2010 21:38:08 GMT -5
The next few years are going to be very interesting as union contracts expire and the States realize they can no long fund entitlments to the extent of the past. Just today several states have announced their plans to hold back tax refunds for up to 5-6 months. Kansas City closed half their schools. The Mayor of Philadelphia wants to put a 2 cent per ounce tax on soda. That will be an additional $0.32 added to the price of a bottle of 16 oz Coke.
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Post by getreal on Mar 13, 2010 13:51:06 GMT -5
Haddon Township is cutting back their administrative staff: "...The next largest cut of $767,000 would come from central office functions, including the equivalent of five full-time positions. Those positions include the school resource officer, a secretary, a child study team member and two technology staffers..."www.theretrospect.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=1&twindow=&mad=&sdetail=2311&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1155&hn=theretrospect&he=.comWhen 5 people are divided into $767,000 it works out to about $153, 400 per job. The jobs appear to be "non-management". Either they must pay the secretaries pretty well over there or there must be more savings somewhere in the admin cutback package. Audubon is not alone in dealing with State aid reductions and I think that just looking at some basic "school report card" statistics does not tell the entire story. According to their Superintendent, "..., Raivetz said, adding that compared to New Jersey as a whole Haddon Township has lower than average administrative cost. “We need administrators to manage things,” he also said. A number of certifications that administrators have are also legally required..." and aud has higher than avg admin costs. but watch. . . . they'll cut numerous kid programs before they dare touch the sacred inner circle. its just where their priorities are. but on a bright note, it was good to see that the haddon twn board has a few members that will push back.
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Post by vincegatto on Mar 13, 2010 15:27:43 GMT -5
Haddon Township is cutting back their administrative staff: "...The next largest cut of $767,000 would come from central office functions, including the equivalent of five full-time positions. Those positions include the school resource officer, a secretary, a child study team member and two technology staffers..."www.theretrospect.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=1&twindow=&mad=&sdetail=2311&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1155&hn=theretrospect&he=.comWhen 5 people are divided into $767,000 it works out to about $153, 400 per job. The jobs appear to be "non-management". Either they must pay the secretaries pretty well over there or there must be more savings somewhere in the admin cutback package. Audubon is not alone in dealing with State aid reductions and I think that just looking at some basic "school report card" statistics does not tell the entire story. According to their Superintendent, "..., Raivetz said, adding that compared to New Jersey as a whole Haddon Township has lower than average administrative cost. “We need administrators to manage things,” he also said. A number of certifications that administrators have are also legally required..." and aud has higher than avg admin costs. but watch. . . . they'll cut numerous kid programs before they dare touch the sacred inner circle. its just where their priorities are. but on a bright note, it was good to see that the haddon twn board has a few members that will push back. We have gone through this before, district wide, Audubon is about the State average for admins per student: Audubon District 158.7 State Average 159.2 The District admin salaries are only about $1.000 (>1%) more than the State average and in the previous two years were less than the State average. education.state.nj.us/rc/rc09/dataselect.php?c=07;d=0150;s=010;lt=CD;st=CD&datasection=allIf you are looking at the "high school", consider that Audubon has one school 7 -12, while most high schools are 9-12. Therefore, you would have to add the administrators from a Junior High to the State average high school administrators to compare apples to apples. But, since you seem to have all of this inside info, what programs are they cutting and which of these " sacred inside circle" jobs don't we need? DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTS, AT ALL? - or are you working off some vague notion of what you think is going on? It's pretty clear you either don't read or can't understand statistical information. Audubon has about the average number of Administrators and they receive about the average pay. Your contention that the school board is not paying attention to administrative costs and that our administrators are taking advantage of that is an absolute fallacy.
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Post by getreal on Mar 13, 2010 16:22:25 GMT -5
and aud has higher than avg admin costs. but watch. . . . they'll cut numerous kid programs before they dare touch the sacred inner circle. its just where their priorities are. but on a bright note, it was good to see that the haddon twn board has a few members that will push back. We have gone through this before, district wide, Audubon is about the State average for admins per student: Audubon District 158.7 State Average 159.2 The District admin salaries are only about $1.000 (>1%) more than the State average and in the previous two years were less than the State average. education.state.nj.us/rc/rc09/dataselect.php?c=07;d=0150;s=010;lt=CD;st=CD&datasection=allIf you are looking at the "high school", consider that Audubon has one school 7 -12, while most high schools are 9-12. Therefore, you would have to add the administrators from a Junior High to the State average high school administrators to compare apples to apples. But, since you seem to have all of this inside info, what programs are they cutting and which of these " sacred inside circle" jobs don't we need? DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTS, AT ALL? - or are you working off some vague notion of what you think is going on? It's pretty clear you either don't read or can't understand statistical information. Audubon has about the average number of Administrators and they receive about the average pay. Your contention that the school board is not paying attention to administrative costs and that our administrators are taking advantage of that is an absolute fallacy. not to pick on one but do u realize our chief admin got nearly $70K in retirement pay last year while other two get $15K (standard in nj)? on top of a $150K salary. with numerous other benefits such as phone/car/etc. Has aud improved? No. Its crazy. An d you are wrong about the admin to student ratio as i pointed out before but have some desire to keep paying and watching ur kids programs get cut.
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Post by vincegatto on Mar 13, 2010 16:34:47 GMT -5
We have gone through this before, district wide, Audubon is about the State average for admins per student: Audubon District 158.7 State Average 159.2 The District admin salaries are only about $1.000 (>1%) more than the State average and in the previous two years were less than the State average. education.state.nj.us/rc/rc09/dataselect.php?c=07;d=0150;s=010;lt=CD;st=CD&datasection=allIf you are looking at the "high school", consider that Audubon has one school 7 -12, while most high schools are 9-12. Therefore, you would have to add the administrators from a Junior High to the State average high school administrators to compare apples to apples. But, since you seem to have all of this inside info, what programs are they cutting and which of these " sacred inside circle" jobs don't we need? DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTS, AT ALL? - or are you working off some vague notion of what you think is going on? It's pretty clear you either don't read or can't understand statistical information. Audubon has about the average number of Administrators and they receive about the average pay. Your contention that the school board is not paying attention to administrative costs and that our administrators are taking advantage of that is an absolute fallacy. not to pick on one but do u realize our chief admin got nearly $70K in retirement pay last year while other two get $15K (standard in nj)? on top of a $150K salary. with numerous other benefits such as phone/car/etc. Has aud improved? No. Its crazy. An d you are wrong about the admin to student ratio as i pointed out before but have some desire to keep paying and watching ur kids programs get cut. So is your contention now that the Superintendent of Schools is collecting $70 K in retirement pay while he is still working and earning $150,000 per year salary, bringing his total annual income to a whopping $220,000 - that you think comes out of your pocket? That's amazing, I did not know that public employees could collect retirement pay while still working in government jobs. I also did not know that our Superintendent was old enough to retire and collect a State pension. How old is the "Chief Admin" anyway?
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Post by haha on Mar 14, 2010 9:46:04 GMT -5
How old is the "Chief Admin" anyway? dating age? u 2 could be binoc buds. haha knows
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Post by googleeye on Mar 14, 2010 11:58:51 GMT -5
How old is the "Chief Admin" anyway? dating age? u 2 could be binoc buds. haha knows
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Post by pissant on Mar 15, 2010 12:38:06 GMT -5
I am new to the board and only have been a resident of NJ for 3 years. I was warned about the property taxes and the corruption in NJ. The biggest thing dragging this State down are the Pension systems. I have gotten to know teachers, cops and other retired State workers. I know this won't sit well with some, but the cops and the firemen pensions are a disgrace. In doing some research it seems over the life of their employment they might contribute anywhere from 40 to 50 thousand dollars into the pension system. It appears most of them recoup that money within the first 2 years of retirement. And keep in mind they retire in their 40's or early 50's so being conservative the taxpayer is paying that monthly pension check for the next 35 to 40 years. I was shocked to find that in Audubon upon retirement the Police get free health care for the rest of their lives. And this is something that is negotiated with the town fathers in their contract. I am curious what it costs the Boro per retiree for health care per year. It is time to strip away this freebie from future and current retirees Statewide. However I suspect if a person already retired under a City contract they can't all of a sudden take or charge them for health care. I supported our current Gov because he was going to crush that sweetheart contract that Corzine signed with State workers. He eventually found he was bound by contract. And please don't tell me that the public workers deserve these pork, because they worked shift work etc.
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Post by vincegatto on Mar 15, 2010 14:30:49 GMT -5
I am new to the board and only have been a resident of NJ for 3 years. I was warned about the property taxes and the corruption in NJ. The biggest thing dragging this State down are the Pension systems. I have gotten to know teachers, cops and other retired State workers. I know this won't sit well with some, but the cops and the firemen pensions are a disgrace. In doing some research it seems over the life of their employment they might contribute anywhere from 40 to 50 thousand dollars into the pension system. It appears most of them recoup that money within the first 2 years of retirement. And keep in mind they retire in their 40's or early 50's so being conservative the taxpayer is paying that monthly pension check for the next 35 to 40 years. I was shocked to find that in Audubon upon retirement the Police get free health care for the rest of their lives. And this is something that is negotiated with the town fathers in their contract. I am curious what it costs the Boro per retiree for health care per year. It is time to strip away this freebie from future and current retirees Statewide. However I suspect if a person already retired under a City contract they can't all of a sudden take or charge them for health care. I supported our current Gov because he was going to crush that sweetheart contract that Corzine signed with State workers. He eventually found he was bound by contract. And please don't tell me that the public workers deserve these pork, because they worked shift work etc. You make some excellent points, but keep in mind until recently large private companies fully funded their employees pensions (the employees did not contribute). Now private companies are shifting to 401K's in which they usually match employee contributions with a fixed percentage, typically another 5% of their earnings - but, only if the employee contributes that percentage. The same goes for medical care. Public employees do not get free medical care for life, the government continues to pay their health insurance premiums into retirement. The same could be said for private industry in the past. Part of the retirement package was health insurance. Some of General Motors woes were the costs of retirees health insurance which they said added about $1,000 to the price of cars they manufactured. Times are changing, look for Government benefits to start to track those of private industry with Government employees getting less and paying more of their own retirement and health-care contributions.
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Post by getreal on Mar 15, 2010 19:42:45 GMT -5
of course in comes out of your pocket you moron. 70 grand in a "hidden" retirement to hide total compensation package. 150000 base salary. free med, car, phone, comp, PLUS the general teacher/admin pension system that generous in itself. forget police/fire packages. education makes it look like chump change. total package of 250+ grand to manage, a small town school. all at aud taxpayer expense. and the school isn't getting better.
its more than the head education comish who runs the entire state and a 7 billion program. these guys r allowed to rape the taxpayer while crying pooor and cutting kids programs. biggest scam going.
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Post by vincegatto on Mar 15, 2010 20:27:12 GMT -5
of course in comes out of your pocket you moron. 70 grand in a "hidden" retirement to hide total compensation package. 150000 base salary. free med, car, phone, comp, PLUS the general teacher/admin pension system that generous in itself. forget police/fire packages. education makes it look like chump change. total package of 250+ grand to manage, a small town school. all at aud taxpayer expense. and the school isn't getting better. its more than the head education comish who runs the entire state and a 7 billion program. these guys r allowed to rape the taxpayer while crying pooor and cutting kids programs. biggest scam going. You said he got $70,000 in retirement pay on top of a $150,000 salary, that's $220,000 pay. I asked if he is collecting retirement pay while still working. You provided no answer. Now you say the $70,000 is hidden. What's the story here, are you now saying there was $70,000 put in his retirement fund on top of normal retirement pay. You need to clarify this. It sounds like you are confused. I know that you have trouble with math, but $70,000 + $150,000 is only $220,000, not $250,000+. If you are going to make up wild accusations, you could at least add up the numbers correctly.
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