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Vince
Jan 21, 2010 23:15:28 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Jan 21, 2010 23:15:28 GMT -5
I was at the Commissioner' meeting because the voters of this town sent a strong message to this new Administration. But they laugh in our face and reappoint David Taraschi as a Zoning Enforcer. The random act of violence at the Acme was a a gang initiation where they chose our town. Why would they leave Camden and come all the way to the Audubon Acme to stab someone? I watched the video and did not see you stand up and speak out against the reappointment of the Zoning Officer. What's the sense of going to a meeting and keeping your pie hole shut, then coming to this board to complain? I told you folks long before the election that no matter who won, Taraschi was staying around. This should be no surprise to anyone, especially DFC. Next time you go to one of these political coffees, pay attention to what the candidates say. Also I did not see a news story that the Acme stabbing was a "gang initiation" where did you read that?
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Vince
Jan 22, 2010 13:46:23 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Jan 22, 2010 13:46:23 GMT -5
Mr Audubon Website Is Back OnlineApparently someone has capitalized on Mr Audubon's good name, popularity and reputation by grabbing the domain name mraudubon.com when it expired and they have launched a new website. www.mraudubon.comDuring the dot-com bubble in the 1990's, I saw a woman being interviewed on TV that had thought up and registered 1500 "catchy" domain names with the hope of selling some or all of them to get rich. To put things in perspective, at that time it cost about $35.00 to register a URL - this lady had over $50,000 invested in domain names, with the hope of striking it rich. Today, it costs about $10.00 per year to register and maintain a domain name. You would have thought for $10 Mr A would have held on to his.
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Vince
Jan 22, 2010 13:52:55 GMT -5
Post by oaklandave on Jan 22, 2010 13:52:55 GMT -5
Don't worry, they now park an empty patrol car in front of Acme and Walmart. That will scare them all away.
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Vince
Jan 22, 2010 13:54:55 GMT -5
Post by oaklandave on Jan 22, 2010 13:54:55 GMT -5
During the campaign when I asked about Dickhead Dave I was told he'd be lucky to keep his DPW job. I was told the plan was no Admin and no extra BullSh!t, DPW at best.
Looks like we know who wears the pants in town. Gotta love a guy that has 12 jobs in a town he doesn't even live in.
Dave
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Vince
Jan 22, 2010 16:11:59 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Jan 22, 2010 16:11:59 GMT -5
Update on Acme Stabbing
This week's Retro reported that a woman was stabbed in the back at the Acme while shopping for eggs. A 17 year old male was later apprehended on a bicycle at BHP and 130. He was recorded on store video and seen and described by witnesses. He was found to be carrying additional knives and was held on various juvenile charges.
There was no mention of a gang initiation in the story.
(This is covered in a section of the Retro that is not online, therefore no link)
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Vince
Jan 22, 2010 18:21:18 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Jan 22, 2010 18:21:18 GMT -5
During the campaign when I asked about Dickhead Dave I was told he'd be lucky to keep his DPW job. I was told the plan was no Admin and no extra BullSh!t, DPW at best. Looks like we know who wears the pants in town. Gotta love a guy that has 12 jobs in a town he doesn't even live in. Dave I don't know who you were talking to but the people who are in office now only had positive things to say about Taraschi both publicly and privately. BTW are you certified by the State (taken courses and passed tests) to be qualified to perform any of the "12 jobs" that you think he does? These positions just can't be handed out to anyone who wants a part-time job, people have to be State certified to fill many of them.
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Vince
Jan 22, 2010 21:29:23 GMT -5
Post by Pasta on Jan 22, 2010 21:29:23 GMT -5
Update on Acme StabbingThis week's Retro reported that a woman was stabbed in the back at the Acme while shopping for eggs. A 17 year old male was later apprehended on a bicycle at BHP and 130. He was recorded on store video and seen and described by witnesses. He was found to be carrying additional knives and was held on various juvenile charges. There was no mention of a gang initiation in the story. (This is covered in a section of the Retro that is not online, therefore no link) The Retrospect article is what I heard of the incident. I was concerned because I heard on the board that maybe this was a "gang initiation," thing. I asked the cop I know if they knew anything about this gang stuff, and they told me that there is absolutely no truth to that at all. The cop told me that gang stuff information is completely false. The cop could not tell me too much more since it involved a juvenile. The cop told me that rumors like that start all the time, and not to believe the rumors. This post seems to back up what the cop told me.
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Vince
Jan 23, 2010 12:52:01 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Jan 23, 2010 12:52:01 GMT -5
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Vince
Jan 23, 2010 13:40:05 GMT -5
Post by johnnypeppers on Jan 23, 2010 13:40:05 GMT -5
States all over this country has been privatizing prisons. This one in New Jersey doesn't shock me or bother me. This is nothing wrong or bad about privatizing. Me thinks they should hire the Sheriff of Arizona to run it....Can you imagine all the Camden County prisoners wearing PINK EVERYTHING and watching ONLY the Disney and weather channels, no weight rooms ,no Playboy or other funky books BALONEY sandwiches , No coffee:o ;D....don't like it...don't come back....wadda guy
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Vince
Jan 23, 2010 21:05:46 GMT -5
Post by Pasta on Jan 23, 2010 21:05:46 GMT -5
Agreed. This is a bad idea. I know some corrections officers. They are dedicated workers who work in the worst of conditions. They are trained well, and in accordance with state statutes. How well will the lower paid civilians be trained? These COs know the criminals and have been dealing with them for years. I can just imagine some civilian getting paid peanuts deciding on how to quell an uprising. It might not be worth it them. Aside from that, this company the county is looking at, CEC, has entire websites dedicated to problems they have encountered around the country. Critics of CEC often say they offer great offers on savings in the first or second year, and then they just jack up the prices more and more. Kind of like an intro offer on a credit card. After the county operation is then dismantled, and all the officers out of work; the company will always come back for more since the county would then have no other option. If the county can't meet the higher prices, these companies then fold, and the county is then stuck with trying to find another outfit to take their place. It has happened. I hear that the county is negotiating with the corrections officers right now, and now the county big guys want to just shut the whole operation down for lower paid civilian workers. Sounds good initially, but problems with these lower paid people is always a problem. (Lawsuits, training, inexperience, etc.) This would be the first private county jail in the state, so there isn't any available information on how well it works here other than the stories from other places around the country. I heard one of them say about the lower paid workers replacing the professionals, "Pay peanuts, and you will get monkeys."
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Vince
Jan 24, 2010 8:27:39 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Jan 24, 2010 8:27:39 GMT -5
How well will the lower paid civilians be trained? These COs know the criminals and have been dealing with them for years. I can just imagine some civilian getting paid peanuts deciding on how to quell an uprising. It might not be worth it them. all correction officers are civilians, most of the privatized CO are CO who were paid by the state. There is no problem going privatizes. They will hire the best of the state Co. It's not that hard to look over a prisoner, you just don't have to portray yourself has weak and you should do good. A state run and privatized prisoner has no difference. According to Corrections Corp of America, their employees receive about 5 days ( 1 week) of training and guards receive another 12 days (about 1 day a month) of training over the next year. So let me get this straight. You apply for a job as a prison guard, get hired off the street and receive a one week orientation, then you go to work guarding prisoners. After that you get about 1 day additional training per month to cover the following skills •Count procedures •Cultural diversity •Defensive tactics •Direct supervision •Emergency procedures •Facility policy and procedures •Firearms training •Hostage situations •First aid/CPR •Inmate disciplinary procedures - rules and regulations •Inmate grievance procedures •Inmate classification procedures •Interpersonal communications •Legal issues and inmate rights •Non-violent crisis intervention •On-the-job training •Radio communications •Report writing •Searches and contraband control •Security procedures •Search techniques •Stress Management •Substance abuse •Tool and key control •Transportation of inmates •Unit management •Unit procedures and post orders •Use of force - regulations and tactics •Use of restraints www.correctionscorp.com/careers/career-overview/training/That works out to about to about 25 minutes training per skill. Can you learn to handle fire arms or hostage taking situations in less than a half an hour? So, does anyone know what kind of training County correction officers currently receive? If these private outfits can train people to deal with dangerous criminals in such a short time and save so much money, maybe we ought to make the police departments private too. I still don't know, somehow I keep picturing a rent-a-cop at the Cherry Hill Mall ??
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Vince
Jan 24, 2010 9:54:24 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Jan 24, 2010 9:54:24 GMT -5
They get a lot of on the job training also So how does that work. They open a prison and a guy that's been there a month trains the new guy? I think I read that there are currently 300 CO's at the jail now. Where is the private outfit going to find 300 qualified replacements in South Jersey? The current ones are union guys and they are not going hop right over and work on the cheap. The way the economy is right now, they can collect unemployment for the next 18 months. The State just closed Riverfront Prison that was only 24 years old and now the County wants to tear down a County Jail only 22 years old. Why not move the jail to the prison if they need more room. Of course, this new jail issue did not come up until the prison was demolished. The suburban Mayors complain about a Mt Ephraim avenue location and all of a sudden the jail goes back to central Camden. If these jails are so secure, why didn't they want it near Collingswood? This entire matter looks like a fiasco to me. I hope they take the full time until December to study this, they need it.
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Vince
Jan 24, 2010 10:21:21 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Jan 24, 2010 10:21:21 GMT -5
I'm sure out of those 300 CO's, there will be people clawing there way to those High paying positions. All the positions of authority requires a minimum of 3-4 years as a CO. You have prior military looking for jobs so they'll probably get in there. You've got laid off cops all over the state looking for jobs so they'll get in there. All this up roar and questioning all happened like what, 10 years ago when they privatized the jail up in Elizabeth NJ. I haven't heard many problems about tha jail. Isn't the Elizabeth facility a minimum security prison operated for the feds and designed to hold illegal aliens. And, as a point of reference, it is the only CCA facility in the Northeast US (New England, PA, NJ and NY), Camden would be the second. I would hope that someone leaving the service or an out of work cop could do better than get a job as a private security guard. Gee, is the economy that bad? Well, you may be right. But, what happens to the private prison business when the economy picks up and the pool of cheap labor dries up
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Vince
Jan 24, 2010 11:22:25 GMT -5
Post by vincegatto on Jan 24, 2010 11:22:25 GMT -5
So how does that work. They open a prison and a guy that's been there a month trains the new guy? I think I read that there are currently 300 CO's at the jail now. Where is the private outfit going to find 300 qualified replacements in South Jersey? The current ones are union guys and they are not going hop right over and work on the cheap. The way the economy is right now, they can collect unemployment for the next 18 months. The State just closed Riverfront Prison that was only 24 years old and now the County wants to tear down a County Jail only 22 years old. Why not move the jail to the prison if they need more room. Of course, this new jail issue did not come up until the prison was demolished. The suburban Mayors complain about a Mt Ephraim avenue location and all of a sudden the jail goes back to central Camden. If these jails are so secure, why didn't they want it near Collingswood? This entire matter looks like a fiasco to me. I hope they take the full time until December to study this, they need it. If you check the application (this is Florida opening) you must be certified by the state to be a CO, Jersey makes it a requiremnet to be certified by the state so they would have to go through the whole New Jersey CO school: CORRECTIONAL OFFICER (FL CERTIFIED) Lake City Correctional Facility Responsibilities This is a comprehensive application that will take approximately one hour to complete so please make sure you have sufficient time. This process is intended to not only obtain information regarding your experience but also provide you a preview of a correctional setting through a set of detailed questions. After completing the CCA application, you will be redirected to our Insight survey instrument which will guide you through a series of questions. The Correctional Officer performs routine duties in accordance with established policies, regulations and procedures to maintain order and provide for the security, care and direct supervision of inmates/residents in housing units, at meals, during recreation, on work assignments and during all other phases of activity in a correctional facility. May employ weapons or force to maintain discipline and order. This position reports to a Senior Correctional Officer or above. Complies with specific post orders written for the post of assignment which may include Armory/Key Control, Perimeter, Segregation, Medical, Kitchen, Recreation, Central Control, Visitation, Utility/Escort, Roving, Housing, Pod Control, Transportation, Intake/Property, Work Detail, Education and Laundry. Qualifications High school diploma, GED certification or equivalent. Must be a Certified Correctional Officer in the State of Florida. Must complete pre-service correctional officer training and, where applicable, be a non-commissioned security officer licensed by the state of employment. A valid driver's license is required. Minimum age requirement: Must be at least 19 years of age. Demonstrate ability to complete any required training. Must be available to work any hours, any shift. CCA is a Drug Free Workplace & an Equal Opportunity Employer M/F/V/D. New Jersey is not Florida and I don't know if there is a law on the books regulating private prisons, but here is the State requirement for a CO that works for the NJDOC "...Candidates who pass the previously noted requirements will be appointed as Trainee and will be required to satisfactorily complete a 14-week, in-residence NJ Police Training Commission course, at the Corrections Staff Training Academy. While in training, candidates will be paid a bi-weekly stipend of $600.00. Those who successfully complete the training program will be appointed as a correction officer recruit and will serve a one-year working test period. Upon satisfactory completion of the working test period, candidates will be promoted to senior correction officer and serve a four month working test period..."This is substantially more training than that outlined by CCA for the private jail CO's. So, if we are going to have private jails, then there should be a law that CO's who work for private jails attend this course (at the expense of themselves or their private employer) to be certified to work as a private CO in NJ. In addition the State pays CO's pretty well: "...Salary Compensation Correction Officer Recruit Salary is $45,548.97 Senior Correction Officer Salary range is $50,105.29 to $72,136.39..."So, if private industry trains and pays their people equivalently, then I might consider that private industry is providing equivalent quality protective services to the community in guarding hardened criminals. www.state.nj.us/corrections/careers.html
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Vince
Jan 24, 2010 13:08:13 GMT -5
Post by dfc on Jan 24, 2010 13:08:13 GMT -5
Update on Acme StabbingThis week's Retro reported that a woman was stabbed in the back at the Acme while shopping for eggs. A 17 year old male was later apprehended on a bicycle at BHP and 130. He was recorded on store video and seen and described by witnesses. He was found to be carrying additional knives and was held on various juvenile charges. There was no mention of a gang initiation in the story. (This is covered in a section of the Retro that is not online, therefore no link) The Retrospect article is what I heard of the incident. I was concerned because I heard on the board that maybe this was a "gang initiation," thing. I asked the cop I know if they knew anything about this gang stuff, and they told me that there is absolutely no truth to that at all. The cop told me that gang stuff information is completely false. The cop could not tell me too much more since it involved a juvenile. The cop told me that rumors like that start all the time, and not to believe the rumors. This post seems to back up what the cop told me. Well pasta my boy he wasn't very candid with you, because they want it to go away. If you feel safe with that answer fine with me.
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